The Wild Ewt of the Plains of Canada ([personal profile] ewt) wrote2007-04-12 07:27 pm

Doom and Gloom

Wheat stem rust

Colony Collapse Disorder

Energy shortages

Resistant TB

Bird 'flu

War

Climate change

And people wonder why I get so discouraged. This was going to be a link round-up but it got too depressing.

[identity profile] pfy.livejournal.com 2007-04-12 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Wheat stem rust
Colony Collapse Disorder
Energy shortages
Resistant TB
Bird 'flu
War
Climate change


We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning since the world's been... oh... wait...

[identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure this is meant to be funny, but I'm not getting the reference.

*hugs*

[identity profile] pfy.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 11:14 am (UTC)(link)
You made it through the 80s while remaining unaware of Billy Joel? Congratulations, or something.

It was a reference to We Didn't Start the Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Didn't_Start_the_Fire), which is itself a list of cultural references.

[identity profile] envoy.livejournal.com 2007-04-12 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Listing and ruminating on potential disasters is a great way to depress yourself. Figure out your preparedness line-in-the-sand, is there anything that you can (reasonably) do to really protect yourself or make a change to those things? If so, and you haven't done it, then take steps to do it. Past that, it's all pretty much OMGWTF Big Rock Hits Earth BBQ.
ext_74: Baron Samadai in cat form (backed up)

[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2007-04-12 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Rocks fall, everyone dies.


actually, pretty much anything short of that, and there are a few isolated corners that'd be safe...

I'm hopefully headed for one of those in a few years time.

[identity profile] envoy.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Ah. See, if everyone leaves society on fear of rocks falling, the rocks never even have to fall.

[identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
Quite.
ext_74: Baron Samadai in cat form (Firefly: Still Flying)

[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
That's not necessarily a bad thing...

OTOH, it's always a good idea to have a few back-ups around in a protected archive. Just in case.

[identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
I think part of the problem, for me, is that I'm not sure where my "preparedness line-in-the-sand" is. There are a lot of things that I would do if I had the money to throw at them - getting a really good portable emergency water filter, for example, and a bicycle I can actually ride.

Even if everything stays as good as it is now, I've got a rough ride for the next few years trying to sort out my physical and mental health. I don't really entertain happy illusions that something isn't going to go wrong.

Wheat prices rose 14% last year, and I'm doing a music degree.

On the other hand, I know more about foraging and preserving and other stuff than most Londoners, even most people I know, and there's almost certainly a selection bias toward people who know this sort of thing in my friends. It's all for naught if there isn't any clean water though.

Basically if there is a hard crash we're all stuffed. If there's a slow crash (and some people would argue that we're in it - I lack the perspective to make the judgement, myself...) I'm not sure at what point I should cut my losses with the music degree and so on. Blah blah blah opportunity cost blah blah blah.

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[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Trust me, a hard crash is unlikely even in most doomsday scenarios.

Best estimate at present is 5 to 10 years before we could safely say for sure we are in a slow decline... with 20 years before things go really down hill. [as in the Utopia project scenario].

Oh, and how about this (http://www.envirotechproducts.com/clearbrook-water-filters.htm) water filter?

[identity profile] pplfichi.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm unconvinced by the we're stuffed arguments. The world might get unpleasant, especially if there is a slow crash but I don't see a hard crash coming (short asteroid/nuclear armageddon/etc scenarios).

I'm optimistic that public awareness of climate change is appears to be going up (I have only my own anecdotal evidence for this), at least in this country. And I don't see the world having a long term energy crisis. Air flight probably will be the most effected (and less accessible) if fuel climb, but I'm sure practical technological solutions can be found for cars, and trains (where the answer isn't electrification). And electricity. At "worst" we can build nuclear power stations. Expensive and a bit dodgy? Yes. Governments may find them more palatable the guaranteed blackouts in x years if nothing is done and renewable methods are insufficient.

Food stuffs have to be sortable over the long term too. It's not as if we don't have grain mountains and milk lakes. It will be less pleasant then it is now, but I'm sure waste will be slowly cut eventually - because we won't have the choice not to but life will go on somehow.

Yes, I'm optimistic about this, very possibly too optimistic. But we haven't managed to wipe ourselves out yet... And I'm nto saying that things won't change and what people do won't have to change. But I don't think the changes will mean death-of-society, but I am uncertain as to how large they will be and aware that because of this and the fact that I simply don't know anywhere near enough about this means I can not have a *proper* opinion, in other words this is probably all crap.

My alternative view should be met with a No! :\

[identity profile] pungoose.livejournal.com 2007-04-12 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Cough (http://edge.org/q2007/q07_index.html).

AAAARGH

[identity profile] pungoose.livejournal.com 2007-04-12 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
and it's Friday 13th.
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[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2007-04-12 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
War, Pestilence [or pollution], Famine & Death...

oh yeah, and Apophis (http://www.armageddononline.org/99942_apophis_asteroid.php)

Trust me, it's possible to survive just about anything...
it's all a matter of where you are standing!

[identity profile] phelyan.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
As in "as far away from anything as possible"?
spodlife: Tardis and Tim (Astronaut)

[personal profile] spodlife 2007-04-13 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
If you are "as far away from anything as possible" then the vacuum will kill you. Oops.

[identity profile] pplfichi.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Only, I'm not sure that's really possible for most people, and not likely to be for some time yet...
ext_74: Baron Samadai in cat form (Karma Police)

[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, depends on your definition of anything...

Personally, I'm thinking of New Zealand. It's position is such that an asteroid would ahve to have a very weird orbital inclination to get even close, and the NZ government are working towards being a self-sufficent country, so the rest of the global economy could go to hell and not affect it.

Granted, a dinosaur-killer strike might cause problems, but even that kind of global winter would only last a few years, and would be survivable.

If we consider the other options, it's easily isolated in the event of pandemic, and is separated into two big islands and lots of little ones as well, so has the functional equivalent of bulkheads. Global climate change is predicted to impact there less than anywhere else, thanks tot he affects of deep sea currents [which are largely unaffected by surface conditions].

Over-all, unless we postulate a planet destroying event, NZ is the most best place to be. And it's pretty civilized already.

[identity profile] vashti.livejournal.com 2007-04-13 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like that so often.

At least you don't sit around going "meh, may as well sit around waiting to die" like some people I know.