The Wild Ewt of the Plains of Canada ([personal profile] ewt) wrote2007-07-11 03:29 pm

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This is not a company, this is a COUNTRY. You cannot run it for minimum expenditure and expect it to be a good place to live.
-[livejournal.com profile] feanelwa

Well said, I say.

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
We run it for pretty much average expenditure (http://csr07.treasury.gov.uk/assets/images/spending-international.gif). It's interesting that however horrible it is to live in Britain, according to a lot of people, 500 more people a day arrive than leave.

[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but mostly from areas where government expenditure is so low there isn't even a functioning sewage system, or they are joining people they love who are already here. I don't think anybody from the developed world is coming here to enjoy our lovely and affordable public transport facilities.

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
areas where government expenditure is so low there isn't even a functioning sewage system

I think that's a bit harsh on Poland... Germany and the USA are also in the top ten, and London seems mainly to be full of French and Australians.

[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
People from those countries are just coming to live here for a few years, see what it's like and improve their English (in the case of the ones that aren't Anglophone countries), not permanently because it's nicer. Every German I know is considering going back, and the Aussies would be too if it wasn't for Howard.

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. You know where the seventh biggest French city is? London. And I don't know many at all who are planning to go back. The Polish girls at work are starting families - not the sign of someone planning to go back either. Some of the Americans I know are buying houses - again, madness if you're not staying.

[identity profile] pplfichi.livejournal.com 2007-07-12 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
A good percentage of the Poles (or at least those I've had contact with) keep on putting off when they're planning on going back. I think many of them will end up staying here indefinitely. They keep on talking about going back, but I can't see it happening. I can see a few of them marrying. If they don't move back before they have kids I really can't see them going back until the kids grow up.

[identity profile] neonchameleon.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
And that doesn't apply to a company because...?

[identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Companies don't have people living in them.

There are two ways to run a company, though: you can acquire shit resources, drive the resources you have into the ground and then replace them with more shit resources as cheaply as possible... or you can invest in really good stuff and spend the money required to maintain it. Both cost about the same in the long run, but the latter strategy is far more pleasant.

[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The point of a company is to make money while keeping the workforce from quitting. The point of a country is as a place for people to live in, without making them ill and unhappy most of the time. You can't run a country by spending as little as possible, because it doesn't just mean your employees all find another job, it affects every hour of their lives. Some of us can leave for other countries, but people who aren't doctors, academics or millionaires can't do that.

[identity profile] friend-of-tofu.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't leave for another country if I could - I've lived in quite a few other countries and found none that I prefer, not even Denmark (where quality of life is much better but society is less laid-back, open-minded and tolerant , on the whole. Wild generalisation, but I'm trying to get across a general trend without writing a really nit-picking post.

That does not, however, mean I don't think this country should be improved, and I agree wholeheartedly with your original statement. It's precisely because we are, in many respects, lucky enough to have a good quality of life that I think we should be keen to make it a lot better.

I'm afraid I have to agree with [livejournal.com profile] beingjdc (is that a first? ;¬p) about migration into Britain, or at least London. People get hysterical about migrants from poorer, less 'desirable' countries, but ignore the huge proportion from places like Australia especially, and the USA, South Africa and other Western European countries.

However, if you are keen to emigrate, there are certainly plenty of countries where you could get an equivalent standard of living for far less, or a better standard for roughly the same amount or only a little more. You don't always need to be wealthy to get away - I grew up with expats and few of them were that well-off or prestigious. Not that money doesn't always help, natch!
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[identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com 2007-07-12 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)


Well, there's a point. You can make a profit in the trucking business, buying ramshackle bangers and running thin into the ground with the minimum of maintenance permissible by law (and, all too often, less); or by taking the Eddie Stobart route of buying top-of-the-range kit and training both the drivers and the maintenace technicians to the highest standards in the industry.

The de minimis approach breaks down in any business that competes on quality - for employees as well as for customers - and is all to often a recipe for failure when competing on cost: efficient production requires investment in staff and machinery.

Effective cost-cutting is an essential commercial discipline; indiscriminate cost-cutting is bad management and the sure and certain route to a permanent loss of competitive advantage and eventual closure.

I would add that Stobart's are the most profitable freight haulier in the transport sector.